
Investment Climate Podcast: Fundraising Playbooks From Food Tech CEOs and VCs
In this podcast series, Alex Shandrovsky interviews investors about benchmarks for funding Alt Proteins in 2025 and uncovers the investment playbooks of successful Climate Tech CEOs and Leading VCs.
Alex is a strategic advisor to numerous global food tech accelerators and companies, including alternative proteins and cellular agriculture leaders. His focus is on investor relations and post-raise scale for agrifood tech companies.
INVESTMENT CLIMATE PODCAST
On winning Pre-Seed funding with the "Low Inclusion" fiber thesis - Jens Eklöf & Ida Krogh Sjöholm, Ora Biotics
In this episode, I sit down with Jens Eklöf (CEO/CTO) and Ida Krogh Sjöholm (Commercial Officer), the co-founders of Ora Biotics, a Danish startup developing the next generation of precision prebiotics. They share the tactical playbook of how they cold-called their way to a €300k pre-seed round led by Rockstart and Delphinus Venture Capital, specifically designed to fund their critical €300k US-based human clinical trial. We discuss why they pair a commercial co-founder with a technical lead from day one, how they utilized €60k in Danish government grants to survive their first year, and the exact science of why "low inclusion" fibers bypass the heavy CapEx traps that destroy other ingredient startups.
🎧 Listen to the full episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts to hear how they navigated the delicate "founder spouse" conversation regarding runway and salary expectations.
Key Facts Ora Biotics:
Goal: To produce a highly targeted, precision prebiotic fiber for metabolic health that does not cause bloating and remains 100% stable in challenging applications like acidic beverages and gummies.
Milestone: Raised a ~€300k pre-seed round (post-money cap below €2M) from Rockstart and Delphinus Venture Capital.
Alex’s Top Findings:
The "Low Inclusion" Margin Moat. The fundamental problem with most fiber startups is that they require massive doses to be effective, which forces brands to alter recipes and forces the startup to build massive, CapEx-heavy production facilities to hit volume targets. Ora Biotics solves this by targeting specific gut bacteria, meaning their fiber requires a very low dose to be effective. This "low inclusion rate" means they can command high margins while relying entirely on asset-light Contract Manufacturers (CDMOs). "If you have lower inclusion, it's also easier to make it a drop-in solution to whatever product you just happen to have... The dose is certainly our key to get really nice margins already from the beginning. We are producing with contract manufacturers, right? We are not building a big optimized production line ourselves."
De-Risking with the "Gold Standard" Clinical Trial. While fiber can be sold legally as a food ingredient without a clinical trial, major FMCG brands will not risk their reputation (or lawsuits, a la Olipop) on unsubstantiated health claims. Ora Biotics specifically raised their €300k round to fund a randomized, placebo-controlled human study in the US. This data is the exact milestone investors demanded to unlock the next funding round. "If you want to say anything about the health benefits in almost all markets in the world, you need to substantiate that... if you are a big brand and you want to know and you want the integrity to know that the ingredient you put in there gives the benefits... you want a human study. And that's also what we want to go for."
The Power of the Commercial Co-Founder at Pre-Seed. Many deep-tech startups fail because they are led by purely technical founders who wait years to speak to customers. Ora Biotics brought Ida (Commercial Officer) on board at the very beginning. Her ability to define the B2B strategy, handle investor storytelling, and secure Letters of Intent (LOIs) for food-grade sample testing before the product was even finalized was critical to winning their pre-seed funding. "I worked more on the storytelling and the market positioning and all of that, which is my background, right? I have a commercial background, I'm not a scientist... We have a few companies now who have said that they've signed the LOAs. They want to test it in their applications. So I think that is an opener."
INVESTMENT CLIMATE PODCAST
Gilai Nachmann on Open Innovation, the AI Nutrition Threat, and How to Pilot with a €15B Dairy Giant
In this episode, I sit down with Gilai Nachmann, Senior Project Manager of Open Innovation & Partnerships at Arla Foods, the largest dairy cooperative in Europe with €15 billion in annual revenue. Gilai breaks down Arla’s aggressive new mandate: sourcing 30% of all innovation ideas externally by 2030. He shares the exact playbook for startups looking to partner with Arla, detailing the specific problem statements they are actively funding pilots for—including sugar reduction, alternative cocoa, and navigating impending CO2 taxes. Gilai also reveals Arla's strategic fear of AI-driven personalized nutrition apps cutting FMCG brands out of the consumer relationship, and how startups can help them stay relevant in a digital-first food future.
🎧 Listen to the full episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts to hear exactly how much sample volume you need to trigger a paid pilot with Arla and why pitching them precision fermentation dairy is a non-starter.
Key Facts Arla Foods Open Innovation:
Goal: To execute an Open Innovation strategy where 30% of all new product ideas come from external sources (startups, SMEs) by 2030.
Milestone: Integrated the Open Innovation team with an internal accelerator to drastically speed up the pilot and LOI process for external startups, reducing corporate bottlenecking.
Alex’s Top Findings:
The "Goldilocks" Timing for Novel Ingredients (2 Years Out). Startups often struggle with when to approach a massive FMCG corporate. Gilai is highly specific: if you are 4-5 years away from commercialization, it is too early. However, if you are exactly two years away from EFSA (European Food Safety Authority) regulatory approval and can produce 20-50 kilos for a pilot plant test, that is the perfect time to engage Arla so they can prepare to launch alongside your approval. "If you're two years away from EFSA, I'd say that's the perfect time to engage because we want to be first runners in the area... we can all launch together when you're ready... They need to have sufficient quantity for us to pilot it... at least 20 to 50 kilos."
The Strategic Threat of AI-Driven Nutrition. Arla isn't just looking for physical ingredients; they are actively scouting digital solutions. Gilai highlights a major corporate fear: if AI agents (like ChatGPT integrated with Instacart or HelloFresh) begin dictating personalized meal plans, legacy food brands could become invisible commodities. Arla wants to partner with digital platforms to ensure their products are the recommended health solutions inside these closed AI ecosystems. "If the AI picks your food for you, what is the position of a big FMCG company in this world?... Maybe in a future where AI selects food products for you, brands don't exist. And how do we stay relevant in that future?... We don't want to build these engines... but we want to be the health partner."
Don't Pitch Precision Fermentation Dairy to a Farmer Co-op. It is critical to know your audience. While Arla is actively seeking solutions for sugar reduction and alternative cocoa, Gilai warns startups against pitching precision-fermented dairy proteins (like synthetic whey or casein). Because Arla is fundamentally a cooperative owned by dairy farmers, their mandate is to support cow-based agriculture, not replace it. "Arla is a farmer-owned cooperative. And our opinion is we're not going to look into precision fermentation as a core area for our business. We're going to focus on building our farmers' capabilities... It's not something we're going to invest in doing pilots on."
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THE LEFTOVERS
By Daniel Skavén Ruben, Ilkka Taponen, and Alex Shandrovsky.
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